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Post by Akron Hammers on Jul 22, 2021 1:28:43 GMT
I will open this up for a short few days so we can get ideas out there, then vote on something so guys know what exactly the rule is headed into the rookie draft so they know who they can and can not draft.
The rule currently is
1. G-League players will not count against your cap space, until they get put on your active roster, which at that time they will get whatever contract they are on. 2. G-League players can be moved to active rosters and back to the G-League spot, but will carry their contract with them back to the G-League spot if sent back to that spot 4. Players are eligible for G-League designation if they are in the G-League, drafted outside of the top 10 in the DBBL Rookie Draft, or play in a Euro/Non-US League. 5. Teams can place a player in the G-League spot during the off-season, no players will be allowed to be placed in the G-League during the regular DBBL season, DBBL playoffs, or NBA playoffs. 6. To go with 5, players in the G-League will not count towards your cap space 7. Each team has a limit of 3 'G-League Eligible' players and can NOT go over that limit at ANY time.
This past season, both LaMelo Ball and Rui Hachimura sat on the G-League roster on teams. When I put this rule in place, I wanted to give teams extra assets to build their teams, but I did not intend for ROY players and 2nd year players to be in those spots.
I don't know where it went, but at one point I did say that if guys started the year in the NBA they were not eligible for these spots and had to be activated before the 1st week of the season ended, with the only exception being rookies taken outside the top 10 in the DBBL rookie draft.
I think that is where the issue came up. I didn't have that expressly written in the rules, so I talked to the staff this past season and we felt I couldn't force the guys that owned Ball/Hachimura into activating or dropping those guys.
I do think that is the easiest fix here is:
G-League eligibility being: players in Europe/Asia/South America/etc players in the G-League players drafted either outside the top 10 in the NBA or top 10 in DBBL
Teams have until the end of our first matchup to activate any player that starts the season in the NBA that does not fall under those exceptions.
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Post by Akron Hammers on Jul 22, 2021 1:34:04 GMT
Along with this. We can talk about drafting guys straight out of highschool that decide to go to the G-League.
Personally, I am ok with it, I see why some would rather leave those players for when they actually hit the NBA draft, but that would cut down on Euro league guys like Theo Maledon, Killian Hayes, Sekou Doumbouya as well and I think letting teams draft those guys early gives them more to use to help build or rebuild their teams, which was the whole point behind this rule
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Post by Red Clay Valley Steam on Jul 22, 2021 3:26:04 GMT
Hi,
New to the league so forgive me if I oversaw this in the rule book. But as far as drafting guys internationally, how far in advance can you select prospects before they are NBA draft eligible?
An example being Victor Wembanyama. I looked through previous drafts and saw he was selected last year, although currently he isn’t draft eligible until 2023.
So I’m curious if there is an established rule for this or more so on team owner discretion.
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Post by The Game on Jul 22, 2021 8:36:29 GMT
I feel like Ball on the GLeague roster really ruffled some feathers? In my defense the only reason he sat there was because I financially didn’t have the money to bring him up. People are acting like it affected their season some how, the only person that was penalized by Ball sitting on my GLeague roster was me. I missed the playoffs by .5 games, I bet I make it if ball plays? I’m ok with being the example but there are two sides to every story. My suggestion is we address opening up the cap a little more?
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Post by Boston Ballers on Jul 22, 2021 12:24:55 GMT
I think the best compromise to the current GLeague rule
Player removed automatically at the end of the season (Due to salary reasons) if they reach played games limit (Some rookies are on the active roster but play sparingly)
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Post by GreenJays Hoop Dream on Jul 22, 2021 15:29:16 GMT
I feel like Ball on the GLeague roster really ruffled some feathers? In my defense the only reason he sat there was because I financially didn’t have the money to bring him up. People are acting like it affected their season some how, the only person that was penalized by Ball sitting on my GLeague roster was me. I missed the playoffs by .5 games, I bet I make it if ball plays? I’m ok with being the example but there are two sides to every story. My suggestion is we address opening up the cap a little more? No matter where we set the cap there will always be teams that want more cap. A big portion of this league and one of the reasons why I like it so much is that you have to maneuver under the cap. There are always moves to be made and always ways to stay under the cap. Personally, I have no problem with it being up to the owner to decide who stays on the G league roster although I do like the thought of maybe a games played limit. Really, keeping someone like last year's Lamelo on the bench only hurts the owner of that team and they have to balance how much that hurts versus the pain of letting go a different piece of their team to create the space.
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Post by Atlantic City Hardwood Bullies on Jul 22, 2021 17:53:28 GMT
1. Having a games played threshold for G League eligibility is good place to start. I’d say players with 40+ appearances in the NBA should not be G league eligible. I’m willing to negotiate that threshold but most guys playing 40+ games in a season have defined roles on their squad and are most likely fantasy relevant. The tricky part is you can’t force people to promote guys right when they hit the 40 game mark in season bc cap space and roster space will make that hard.
2. G League Ignite guys should 100% be eligible for rookie drafts even before their NBA draft eligible year. I parallel guys playing for the Ignite to guys playing overseas. It is still professional basketball outside of the actual NBA.
3. We should establish how far out we can draft international players. 2 to 3 years out of NBA draft eligibility seems like a good place. If we go out any further I just think that’s overkill.
4. The Lamelo Ball & Rui Hachimura situation is a competitive issue. I understand teams may want to help their draft position or may not be super cap flexible but purposely not bringing up an impact player is bad for competitive balance. You are going to have to make space for a player like that the following year anyways and I’m sure there are teams that were willing to eat cap to help with shaving salary.
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Post by Akron Hammers on Jul 22, 2021 19:55:34 GMT
I feel like Ball on the GLeague roster really ruffled some feathers? In my defense the only reason he sat there was because I financially didn’t have the money to bring him up. People are acting like it affected their season some how, the only person that was penalized by Ball sitting on my GLeague roster was me. I missed the playoffs by .5 games, I bet I make it if ball plays? I’m ok with being the example but there are two sides to every story. My suggestion is we address opening up the cap a little more? Honestly it was just me seeing a loophole in the rule that I wanted to close off for future instances. It wasn’t that it ruffled my feathers. You were within how we thought the rule was written, the staff and I when we talked about it. The biggest thing I’m trying to avoid is teams leaving these guys on the G-League to tank for a higher pick. You clearly didn’t do it to tank since you barely missed the playoffs. That is the biggest reason I want to get this talked about and cleared up. I honestly wasn’t trying to make an example of you and I’m sorry if it came across that way. I guess since it is the instance that it happened you could say that, but I really wasn’t trying to make it that way
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Post by Akron Hammers on Jul 22, 2021 19:59:14 GMT
I think the best compromise to the current GLeague rule Player removed automatically at the end of the season (Due to salary reasons) if they reach played games limit (Some rookies are on the active roster but play sparingly) I do like the idea of a games played threshold. If we did it. I think it would be something that we would only look at, at the end of the season. In DBL, where a number of us are from players have to get to 50 IP or a certain # of ABs (I can’t recall that # off the top of my head) and once those players reach those #s over their career they can’t be placed back in the minors. (The next season after they reach those #s) Would be the same premise here if we did that here.
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Post by Cincinnati Sabercats on Jul 23, 2021 13:14:11 GMT
Im not sure if some are very animated on this or not (hard to tell in a message) but I know its not meant to call anyone out or anything, its to have a discussion on whats best for the league as a whole.
I think we are on the right path here and what I think we need to look at is 3 things:
1. How much in the future we can draft a player. If Im being completely honest, I dont like doing it. It creates too many loopholes like this and the point of a rookie draft is to draft guys that are in the class. I try and get guys for the future, but thats more because I feel hamstrung without doing so. If we eliminate that, that would eliminate all of the loophole/grey area.
2. I totally agree on a games played threshold but I dont see how you can enforce it midseason. I dont think thats what it is intended in the messages above but I think its good for the next season. '
3. If everyone wants to keep it status quo in a way, I think a good counter is if that player is drafted in the top 10 in any draft, then they cant be in our G league unless they are in the G League/Euro. So LaMelo was fine 2 years ago, but as soon as he got drafted 2nd overall, that next season he had to be on the main roster.
Also, we wont always agree on everything, whatever is fair for all, is good with me.
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Post by South Beach Savages on Jul 24, 2021 6:29:58 GMT
I think their should be a limit on g league guys for sure but I’m not sure the best option if we’re going on say 40 games as an example I don’t think a guy checking in last couple minutes of a blowout should count the same as a guy who started and played 40 minutes idk if it’s too complicated to track minutes or where that threshold would be honestly.
As far as Rui/Ball I feel like that’s two completely different examples it was two different classes and the ball thing was completely a cap only issue obviously game would of wanted him up and tried trading other big money guys all year with no luck it’s a no brainer he would of wanted him up and it cost him making the playoffs.
If we do change when we can draft prospects specifically high school guys that aren’t going overseas or G league I strongly feel that can’t be implemented this year it changes the value on picks imo and risk level. I feel like if that passes I’m fine either way but it shouldn’t start this year maybe a year or two out but also by then the NBA itself could change its own rule.
I also think we should make a large cap increase nba teams can go over and pay a luxury tax but we can’t but either way it’s the same for everyone so I’m good with whatever.
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Post by Akron Hammers on Jul 25, 2021 17:56:10 GMT
Ok so I think we are at a spot we can probably get a poll on this going. Let me know if you guys agree with these options to vote for, if I need to add any, remove any, or tweak any
1. G-League eligibility: Any Non-NBA league pro players such as, Euro, G-League, NBL, etc. but not including college players. Rookies drafted outside the top 10 in either the NBA draft or the DBBL draft. No games played limit, guys entering their 2nd NBA season, no matter games played, would need to be on active roster. Only exception would be if they start the season in the G-League
2. Same rule as 1 but would have a 35 games played(could tweak this, could even do minutes total or minutes averaged)
3. Same rule as 1 but only Euro, NBL, etc (Not G-League/NCAA) that are 2 years out from entering the NBA draft would be eligible to be taken in the DBBL rookie draft. Any further away would not be eligible.
Would also like input on if you guys would want this implemented this year or hold off until next off-season for this rule to start
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Post by Atlantic City Hardwood Bullies on Jul 25, 2021 19:53:27 GMT
Ok so I think we are at a spot we can probably get a poll on this going. Let me know if you guys agree with these options to vote for, if I need to add any, remove any, or tweak any 1. G-League eligibility: Any Non-NBA league pro players such as, Euro, G-League, NBL, etc. but not including college players. Rookies drafted outside the top 10 in either the NBA draft or the DBBL draft. No games played limit, guys entering their 2nd NBA season, no matter games played, would need to be on active roster. Only exception would be if they start the season in the G-League 2. Same rule as 1 but would have a 35 games played(could tweak this, could even do minutes total or minutes averaged) 3. Same rule as 1 but only Euro, NBL, etc (Not G-League/NCAA) that are 2 years out from entering the NBA draft would be eligible to be taken in the DBBL rookie draft. Any further away would not be eligible. Would also like input on if you guys would want this implemented this year or hold off until next off-season for this rule to start For option 1: could we add clarity on how far out you can draft Euro, NBL, G League, etc guys. I see it in option 3 but not sure if that 2 years out would also apply to option 1
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Post by Akron Hammers on Jul 25, 2021 23:10:15 GMT
That's what option 3 is. The same rule as 1, but with a limit on how far out we can draft Euro, NBL, G-League guys
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Post by Atlantic City Hardwood Bullies on Jul 26, 2021 19:38:54 GMT
Ok wow yeah im dumb...carry on
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